Between 1894 and 1924, the Ottoman Empire and its successor state, modern Turkey, carried out one of the most systematic religious and ethnic purges in modern history.
Seriously, there are hundreds of cases of "right of return" that are far, far stronger than whatever claims Arabs have to Israel. I wonder why those are never discussed. I guess Qatari petro-dollars are only spent on certain causes, namely erasing Jews.
true. The entire narrative in the West is controlled by the Pentagon (the USHMM is run by the State Department). The Serbs and Roma were also victims in WWII, but few know it. During the 1990s, the US lied repeatedly and constantly about the Serbs to make people feel good when the US's jihadist allies beheaded them. The Vatican's holocaust against Christian Orthodox residents of Croatia in 1941 is similarly erased from history. Note that the US absorbed many nazis after WWII (John Loftus has written about this)--so obviously the Jews have no control over any of it. Many American Jews are bamboozled by empty 'remembrances'. Not me.
well, Avro Manhattan's book is 'Vatican's Holocaust'. The apparatus of Croatia, which was fully intertwined with the Vatican, had a full objective of converting 1/3, killing 1/3, and expelling 1/3 of Christian Orthodox.
Far too few are familiar with Avro Manhattan's book on the subject. It's shocking. It's almost as shocking that it has been so systematically and thoroughly ignored. Those in control care about some groups and don't care about others. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
We'll be hearing about Srebrenica for generations to come, but we won't hear a word about what was done to the Serbs in what is now Croatia by the Ustaša. One can't help but wonder why that is.
You've read Avro Manhattan's book? I've read much of it. It's on the internet archive website. The Vatican's army was the Croatian Ustashe, with support from a vast network of friars, bishops, and other religious figures. This is all very easily researched. The Vatican smoothly flipped flopped often, switching from alliance with the axis to the allies as the 'propaganda winds' and needs changed.
Have not read that… wife reads almost 100 books a year… I am a binge reader & prefer historical but no fiction… have read virtually all the serial killer books plus 2 on Criminal Profiling…
not for any violence but interested in their upbringing/psyche.
for real, we have similar reading tastes. I've read a book or two on criminal profiling (I think the author was John Douglas, expert killer profiler), and a ton on hidden policy, the blowback of nazi influence on the US government. Christopher Simpson has written much on this. Operation Mind Control by Walter Bowart was a good read. Anything by Dave McGowan. Read Thomas O'Neil's 'Chaos' (about Manson and the CIA). I read a lot of things that are all about debunking the mass media lies drilled into our brains. Your local library may have Chaos, highly recommend it. I was already familiar with much of what he writes, but he just adds even more detail, layers of complexity, where it's just hard to wrap the mind around it--where so much that we are told is 'grass roots' or 'hippy dippy left wing' was in reality a fully planned and carried out CIA policy...
Dan: thank you for this moving and thoroughly accurate message. I have the privilege of being a docent at the Brookdale College (Middletown, New Jersey, USA) Center for Holocaust, Human Rights, and Genocide Education (CHHANGE) Center and my training is focused upon the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. Everything you have spoken to resonates deeply...with one additional note. The current and impending fall of the Iranian theocracy is occurring in the context of (1) Armenia watching its brethren across their border with Iran's Western & Eastern Azerbaijan Provinces; (2) Azerbaijan watching brethren across their own borders with Iran; and (3) Iraqi Kurdistan watching brethren across their border with with Iran in Kordestan, Ilam, and Kermanshah Provinces. The potential for these Iranian Provinces becoming de facto fragments of Iran to be securitized by Armenian or Azerbaijani or Kurdish forces is that this would hold great promise and potential risk for rekindling rivalries in the heat of the Iranian central power vacuum that could unfold. <hands in praying position> for all at risk in that region. And thank you for your moving post today! Gratefully, Gary
"When violence produces no consequences in real time, no cost, it tells every armed group, every terrorist movement, every dictator that mass violence against minorities is not a red line. No wonder how the Ayatollah regime has killed more than 30,000 people in one month."
Humans are just plain awful. Or, more appropriately, we evolved in small tribal groups and make sure to look after our own young. Are lots of people in America outraged by what is happening in Syria, if they even hear about it? Yes. Does that mean we say, "I am going to risk my son's life by sending him off to a foreign land I will never visit, to MAYBE stop evil people from murdering Kurds and Alawites?" In most cases, no.
I am as "guilty" of that as anyone. I know the Chinese Communists have been putting Muslims into concentration camps for years on end. Have I boarded a flight to Korea, to sneak across the border to try to free those people? No. No, I have not. Am I going to? No. I have told my government to use all pressure possible on the Chinese Commies, but they have not done so.
So, now what?
All of this that Ben writes is true, but I am left wondering if there is anything to be done or if we just keep repeating the same sorry evils over and over again.
Right of return for the Greeks to Smyrna!
Seriously, there are hundreds of cases of "right of return" that are far, far stronger than whatever claims Arabs have to Israel. I wonder why those are never discussed. I guess Qatari petro-dollars are only spent on certain causes, namely erasing Jews.
true. The entire narrative in the West is controlled by the Pentagon (the USHMM is run by the State Department). The Serbs and Roma were also victims in WWII, but few know it. During the 1990s, the US lied repeatedly and constantly about the Serbs to make people feel good when the US's jihadist allies beheaded them. The Vatican's holocaust against Christian Orthodox residents of Croatia in 1941 is similarly erased from history. Note that the US absorbed many nazis after WWII (John Loftus has written about this)--so obviously the Jews have no control over any of it. Many American Jews are bamboozled by empty 'remembrances'. Not me.
The only Holocaust is the Jewish Holocaust. Holocaust means industrial,systematic annihilation of people orchestrated by a state apparatus.
The others are genocide.
Holocaust was first a Greek word and was used prior to the Second World War to describe the massacres of the Armenians by the Turks.
well, Avro Manhattan's book is 'Vatican's Holocaust'. The apparatus of Croatia, which was fully intertwined with the Vatican, had a full objective of converting 1/3, killing 1/3, and expelling 1/3 of Christian Orthodox.
Far too few are familiar with Avro Manhattan's book on the subject. It's shocking. It's almost as shocking that it has been so systematically and thoroughly ignored. Those in control care about some groups and don't care about others. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
We'll be hearing about Srebrenica for generations to come, but we won't hear a word about what was done to the Serbs in what is now Croatia by the Ustaša. One can't help but wonder why that is.
I require A LOT OF EVIDENCE!
There is no Pope Army…
You've read Avro Manhattan's book? I've read much of it. It's on the internet archive website. The Vatican's army was the Croatian Ustashe, with support from a vast network of friars, bishops, and other religious figures. This is all very easily researched. The Vatican smoothly flipped flopped often, switching from alliance with the axis to the allies as the 'propaganda winds' and needs changed.
Have not read that… wife reads almost 100 books a year… I am a binge reader & prefer historical but no fiction… have read virtually all the serial killer books plus 2 on Criminal Profiling…
not for any violence but interested in their upbringing/psyche.
Read 5 nazi era books long ago…
everyone should…
how evil operates!
for real, we have similar reading tastes. I've read a book or two on criminal profiling (I think the author was John Douglas, expert killer profiler), and a ton on hidden policy, the blowback of nazi influence on the US government. Christopher Simpson has written much on this. Operation Mind Control by Walter Bowart was a good read. Anything by Dave McGowan. Read Thomas O'Neil's 'Chaos' (about Manson and the CIA). I read a lot of things that are all about debunking the mass media lies drilled into our brains. Your local library may have Chaos, highly recommend it. I was already familiar with much of what he writes, but he just adds even more detail, layers of complexity, where it's just hard to wrap the mind around it--where so much that we are told is 'grass roots' or 'hippy dippy left wing' was in reality a fully planned and carried out CIA policy...
Dire. Painful to read. Thank you. Why didn't the White House pick you as an advisor?
Dan: thank you for this moving and thoroughly accurate message. I have the privilege of being a docent at the Brookdale College (Middletown, New Jersey, USA) Center for Holocaust, Human Rights, and Genocide Education (CHHANGE) Center and my training is focused upon the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. Everything you have spoken to resonates deeply...with one additional note. The current and impending fall of the Iranian theocracy is occurring in the context of (1) Armenia watching its brethren across their border with Iran's Western & Eastern Azerbaijan Provinces; (2) Azerbaijan watching brethren across their own borders with Iran; and (3) Iraqi Kurdistan watching brethren across their border with with Iran in Kordestan, Ilam, and Kermanshah Provinces. The potential for these Iranian Provinces becoming de facto fragments of Iran to be securitized by Armenian or Azerbaijani or Kurdish forces is that this would hold great promise and potential risk for rekindling rivalries in the heat of the Iranian central power vacuum that could unfold. <hands in praying position> for all at risk in that region. And thank you for your moving post today! Gratefully, Gary
"When violence produces no consequences in real time, no cost, it tells every armed group, every terrorist movement, every dictator that mass violence against minorities is not a red line. No wonder how the Ayatollah regime has killed more than 30,000 people in one month."
Humans are just plain awful. Or, more appropriately, we evolved in small tribal groups and make sure to look after our own young. Are lots of people in America outraged by what is happening in Syria, if they even hear about it? Yes. Does that mean we say, "I am going to risk my son's life by sending him off to a foreign land I will never visit, to MAYBE stop evil people from murdering Kurds and Alawites?" In most cases, no.
I am as "guilty" of that as anyone. I know the Chinese Communists have been putting Muslims into concentration camps for years on end. Have I boarded a flight to Korea, to sneak across the border to try to free those people? No. No, I have not. Am I going to? No. I have told my government to use all pressure possible on the Chinese Commies, but they have not done so.
So, now what?
All of this that Ben writes is true, but I am left wondering if there is anything to be done or if we just keep repeating the same sorry evils over and over again.
So it was not to survive?
Not due to limited options until the west was able to turn the tide?
I have read 5 books on Nazi era starting with Rise & Fall and ending with germans who stayed in Germany to fight Hitler.
All quite riveting.